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		<title>By: David Airey</title>
		<link>http://www.davidairey.com/how-ethical-are-your-design-practices/comment-page-1/#comment-112943</link>
		<dc:creator>David Airey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 15:39:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re very welcome, Stephen. I guess I&#039;m fortunate that I&#039;ve not been tested to point of saying no for ethical reasons. My clients are fairly &#039;straight down the middle&#039; in that respect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re very welcome, Stephen. I guess I&#8217;m fortunate that I&#8217;ve not been tested to point of saying no for ethical reasons. My clients are fairly &#8217;straight down the middle&#8217; in that respect.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Lee Ogden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Lee Ogden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 15:33:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great feed of information here. 

I&#039;ve been designing professionally for 4 years now and have turned down 2 projects in the tobacco industry (Herbal Cigs and a Hooka company) and 3 distilled alcohol projects. Most of you agree that tobacco is a no no. And if not for personal objection, you realize future clients would likely not want their work displayed alongside a tobacco product. For my own personal beliefs, alcohol falls in this same category. I personally live a sober life and can&#039;t devote myself to a product I would not consume. 

The times in my life when I have crossed my own moral, ethical boundaries ... I&#039;ve paid for it with regret and self-loathing. To do that professionally would be a depressing existence. And I hope to never compromise to increase my income. The love of money is the root of all sorts of evil.

I completely disagree with the idea that young designers should build their portfolio&#039;s doing work they may or may not agree with. Past work is bait for new work. Why would I display work I didn&#039;t want to do again? 

Thanks David</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great feed of information here. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been designing professionally for 4 years now and have turned down 2 projects in the tobacco industry (Herbal Cigs and a Hooka company) and 3 distilled alcohol projects. Most of you agree that tobacco is a no no. And if not for personal objection, you realize future clients would likely not want their work displayed alongside a tobacco product. For my own personal beliefs, alcohol falls in this same category. I personally live a sober life and can&#8217;t devote myself to a product I would not consume. </p>
<p>The times in my life when I have crossed my own moral, ethical boundaries &#8230; I&#8217;ve paid for it with regret and self-loathing. To do that professionally would be a depressing existence. And I hope to never compromise to increase my income. The love of money is the root of all sorts of evil.</p>
<p>I completely disagree with the idea that young designers should build their portfolio&#8217;s doing work they may or may not agree with. Past work is bait for new work. Why would I display work I didn&#8217;t want to do again? </p>
<p>Thanks David</p>
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		<title>By: David Airey :: Graphic Designer</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Airey :: Graphic Designer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 21:41:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>minxlj,

When you say this:

&quot;Everyone’s principles are different - as long as you stick to them, it’s all valid.&quot;

I fully agree. I don&#039;t want to force my opinion on anyone, and there&#039;s only so much reasoning you can do.

Thanks for commenting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>minxlj,</p>
<p>When you say this:</p>
<p>&#8220;Everyone’s principles are different &#8211; as long as you stick to them, it’s all valid.&#8221;</p>
<p>I fully agree. I don&#8217;t want to force my opinion on anyone, and there&#8217;s only so much reasoning you can do.</p>
<p>Thanks for commenting.</p>
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		<title>By: minxlj</title>
		<link>http://www.davidairey.com/how-ethical-are-your-design-practices/comment-page-1/#comment-28613</link>
		<dc:creator>minxlj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 15:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forgot to add: 
&lt;i&gt;But each and every one of us are as guilty as the next so to take a stance against non-environmentally friendly clients would be business suicide - you’d accept no work&lt;/i&gt;

I don&#039;t agree - each of us is NOT as guilty as the next. If I wasn&#039;t environmentally responsible, I&#039;d be hypocritical to accuse clients of ill practice. Why should I go out of my way to reduce, re-use, recycle, source eco-friendly products and not have a car, then actually increase an environmentally damaging client&#039;s profits with a good design?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forgot to add:<br />
<i>But each and every one of us are as guilty as the next so to take a stance against non-environmentally friendly clients would be business suicide &#8211; you’d accept no work</i></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t agree &#8211; each of us is NOT as guilty as the next. If I wasn&#8217;t environmentally responsible, I&#8217;d be hypocritical to accuse clients of ill practice. Why should I go out of my way to reduce, re-use, recycle, source eco-friendly products and not have a car, then actually increase an environmentally damaging client&#8217;s profits with a good design?</p>
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		<title>By: minxlj</title>
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		<dc:creator>minxlj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 15:38:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s all very well for me to say this, but my boss may not agree (LOL). I absolutely would not work for a company guilty of environmental damage, or any guilty of animal cruelty. I believe in sticking by my principles, so I would be willing to resign if my boss didn&#039;t accept my refusal to work on that particular project. 

I agree with your comment above - once tarnished, your reputation is incredibly hard to build back up. News travels fast, but bad news travels even faster. I am keen to work on environmental projects - why would anyone take me seriously if I had a history of working for unethical organisations?

I also stick to my principles when it comes to any additional freelance work I&#039;ve done (I rejected one client because they insisted logo contests were a viable way to work, and one because he was a tattoo &#039;artist&#039; with a shoddy reputation) and also any job I apply for. Anywhere with a dress code, or anyone who discriminates against tattoos or appearance is out - I do not believe you can insist on creativity from designers while insisting they all look the same. 

Everyone&#039;s principles are different - as long as you stick to them, it&#039;s all valid :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s all very well for me to say this, but my boss may not agree (LOL). I absolutely would not work for a company guilty of environmental damage, or any guilty of animal cruelty. I believe in sticking by my principles, so I would be willing to resign if my boss didn&#8217;t accept my refusal to work on that particular project. </p>
<p>I agree with your comment above &#8211; once tarnished, your reputation is incredibly hard to build back up. News travels fast, but bad news travels even faster. I am keen to work on environmental projects &#8211; why would anyone take me seriously if I had a history of working for unethical organisations?</p>
<p>I also stick to my principles when it comes to any additional freelance work I&#8217;ve done (I rejected one client because they insisted logo contests were a viable way to work, and one because he was a tattoo &#8216;artist&#8217; with a shoddy reputation) and also any job I apply for. Anywhere with a dress code, or anyone who discriminates against tattoos or appearance is out &#8211; I do not believe you can insist on creativity from designers while insisting they all look the same. </p>
<p>Everyone&#8217;s principles are different &#8211; as long as you stick to them, it&#8217;s all valid :-)</p>
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		<title>By: David Airey :: Graphic Designer</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Airey :: Graphic Designer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2007 17:03:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Toni,

Good to know your ethics are on track. I think whether you&#039;re starting out or not, there should never be any temptation to steal. Once tarnished, your reputation is incredibly hard to build back up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Toni,</p>
<p>Good to know your ethics are on track. I think whether you&#8217;re starting out or not, there should never be any temptation to steal. Once tarnished, your reputation is incredibly hard to build back up.</p>
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		<title>By: Toni</title>
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		<dc:creator>Toni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 15:34:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi
Have found all of the comments posted here very interesting...we too have experienced the dilema. One particular client springs to mind, we were at the quoting stage of designing a website for them and it became apparent that they were intending to leave the  company they were working for and steal all the data to set up their own business. What was even more insulting was that they wanted US to do the stealing for them!!! We quickly made it clear that we couldn&#039;t be part of it and haven&#039;t heard from them since. We are however, a fairly well established design company so I can understand why someone starting out may have been more tempted!
Toni</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi<br />
Have found all of the comments posted here very interesting&#8230;we too have experienced the dilema. One particular client springs to mind, we were at the quoting stage of designing a website for them and it became apparent that they were intending to leave the  company they were working for and steal all the data to set up their own business. What was even more insulting was that they wanted US to do the stealing for them!!! We quickly made it clear that we couldn&#8217;t be part of it and haven&#8217;t heard from them since. We are however, a fairly well established design company so I can understand why someone starting out may have been more tempted!<br />
Toni</p>
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		<title>By: David Airey :: Graphic Designer</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Airey :: Graphic Designer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 10:21:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jen,

Your ethics are very similar to mine. Thanks for dropping by and sorry it took so long to acknowledge you!

Sara,

I think that after four years of working with clients, only firing your first one now is great going. I&#039;ve only had to do it once so far, and I&#039;ve been in self-employment for 2 years. It was a sad process, and one I hope doesn&#039;t come around too often.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jen,</p>
<p>Your ethics are very similar to mine. Thanks for dropping by and sorry it took so long to acknowledge you!</p>
<p>Sara,</p>
<p>I think that after four years of working with clients, only firing your first one now is great going. I&#8217;ve only had to do it once so far, and I&#8217;ve been in self-employment for 2 years. It was a sad process, and one I hope doesn&#8217;t come around too often.</p>
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		<title>By: Sara Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sara Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 19:41:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was recently put into a very awkward situation; I had to fire a client. This was a first for me and I have been working with clients for 4 years, so I guess I was lucky. I was working on a very large redevelopment project and long story short, 80% into the project the client basically admits to doing something very shady and we find out we are a part of it which immediately raises the red flag. I&#039;m actually writing a post about it for search-this.com so i don&#039;t want to go into too many details here, but needless to say, there is a line and our line is anything that could potentially damage the reputation of our firm or its members.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was recently put into a very awkward situation; I had to fire a client. This was a first for me and I have been working with clients for 4 years, so I guess I was lucky. I was working on a very large redevelopment project and long story short, 80% into the project the client basically admits to doing something very shady and we find out we are a part of it which immediately raises the red flag. I&#8217;m actually writing a post about it for search-this.com so i don&#8217;t want to go into too many details here, but needless to say, there is a line and our line is anything that could potentially damage the reputation of our firm or its members.</p>
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		<title>By: Jen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 21:39:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m currently in this situation. I&#039;m doing work for an organization that really skirted the line of my personal ethics. I decided in the long run that it was a good opportunity for me and it may provide me work in the future that isn&#039;t related to this specific organization since I&#039;m being sub-contracted. 

I can definitively say there are several sectors I wouldn&#039;t do work for:

Any company that abuses animals in any way. 
Certain political parties
Any company that takes a stance against equality (whether it be race, gender or sexual orientation)
Any company that was responsible for further damaging the environment
Some adult content (though I&#039;d never display it in my portfolio, I think adult content is healthy... to a degree)

I suppose ethically I&#039;d turn down anything that may inhibit the growth of the planet or mankind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m currently in this situation. I&#8217;m doing work for an organization that really skirted the line of my personal ethics. I decided in the long run that it was a good opportunity for me and it may provide me work in the future that isn&#8217;t related to this specific organization since I&#8217;m being sub-contracted. </p>
<p>I can definitively say there are several sectors I wouldn&#8217;t do work for:</p>
<p>Any company that abuses animals in any way.<br />
Certain political parties<br />
Any company that takes a stance against equality (whether it be race, gender or sexual orientation)<br />
Any company that was responsible for further damaging the environment<br />
Some adult content (though I&#8217;d never display it in my portfolio, I think adult content is healthy&#8230; to a degree)</p>
<p>I suppose ethically I&#8217;d turn down anything that may inhibit the growth of the planet or mankind.</p>
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