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	<title>Comments on: AIGA&#8217;s response to NEA&#8217;s call for logos</title>
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	<description>David is a graphic designer passionate about brand identity. Here&#039;s his portfolio and a wonderful community of 15,000+ designers reading his blog.</description>
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		<title>By: Ron Bercume</title>
		<link>http://www.davidairey.com/aiga-nea-art-works-logo/comment-page-1/#comment-127583</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron Bercume</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 01:18:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see your point David, there is a clear distinction between commission based work, or performance based agency business structures on the fortune 500 level that have clearly defined contracts with each side lawyered up. But logo design contests, elance calls for FREE moch-ups, even on this level with a larger organization just should not be done at all in my opinion for reasons we all know to well. I think the issue here is that there needs to be a clear line drawn industry wide for creatives. Have been a member of  http://www.no-spec.com/, everyone should sign the petition to support &quot;our&quot; cause.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see your point David, there is a clear distinction between commission based work, or performance based agency business structures on the fortune 500 level that have clearly defined contracts with each side lawyered up. But logo design contests, elance calls for FREE moch-ups, even on this level with a larger organization just should not be done at all in my opinion for reasons we all know to well. I think the issue here is that there needs to be a clear line drawn industry wide for creatives. Have been a member of  <a href="http://www.no-spec.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.no-spec.com/</a>, everyone should sign the petition to support &#8220;our&#8221; cause.</p>
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		<title>By: Jame blankson</title>
		<link>http://www.davidairey.com/aiga-nea-art-works-logo/comment-page-1/#comment-127203</link>
		<dc:creator>Jame blankson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 23:57:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All is well in the design world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All is well in the design world.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.davidairey.com/aiga-nea-art-works-logo/comment-page-1/#comment-127178</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 18:24:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It feels like every time I open my blog reader there&#039;s another discussion on this topic. Although the majority of designers I respect and look up to have taken a very clear stance on the issue, I can&#039;t bring myself to do the same.

I think there&#039;s room for commissions based on a portfolio and consultation. I also think there are projects more suited to &quot;pitching&quot;. Architects have to do it on certain projects. Performers have to audition for specific roles. Of course they also get contacted on the strength of previous work.

The problem for me is when clients get lost in the bells and whistles. It&#039;s up to a designer to communicate in his pitch that concept is key, be that in a covering letter or a series of sketches. The belief that spec work is evil goes hand in hand with the belief that a call for submissions means asking for final logos only. Why not consider it a job application?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It feels like every time I open my blog reader there&#8217;s another discussion on this topic. Although the majority of designers I respect and look up to have taken a very clear stance on the issue, I can&#8217;t bring myself to do the same.</p>
<p>I think there&#8217;s room for commissions based on a portfolio and consultation. I also think there are projects more suited to &#8220;pitching&#8221;. Architects have to do it on certain projects. Performers have to audition for specific roles. Of course they also get contacted on the strength of previous work.</p>
<p>The problem for me is when clients get lost in the bells and whistles. It&#8217;s up to a designer to communicate in his pitch that concept is key, be that in a covering letter or a series of sketches. The belief that spec work is evil goes hand in hand with the belief that a call for submissions means asking for final logos only. Why not consider it a job application?</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa B.</title>
		<link>http://www.davidairey.com/aiga-nea-art-works-logo/comment-page-1/#comment-127149</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 22:53:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t consider a design competition to be spec work per se. It&#039;s a way for a budding designer to get noticed. These contests have existed since design has existed. They are not the problem. What cheapens the industry is the countless template and stock sites that sell designs in bulk and the unscrupulous &quot;designers&quot; that then take these designs, slightly modify them and sell the work as original to a client. This happens quite often.

Let&#039;s face it, the barrier to entry into the field of graphic design is quite low nowadays, as almost anyone can call his/herself one. But there are very few really good, innovative designers and if you happen to be one of them, you will stand out and you will always have work.  If you&#039;re not one of them, and most aren&#039;t, can you really blame companies for wanting a cheaper alternative?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t consider a design competition to be spec work per se. It&#8217;s a way for a budding designer to get noticed. These contests have existed since design has existed. They are not the problem. What cheapens the industry is the countless template and stock sites that sell designs in bulk and the unscrupulous &#8220;designers&#8221; that then take these designs, slightly modify them and sell the work as original to a client. This happens quite often.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s face it, the barrier to entry into the field of graphic design is quite low nowadays, as almost anyone can call his/herself one. But there are very few really good, innovative designers and if you happen to be one of them, you will stand out and you will always have work.  If you&#8217;re not one of them, and most aren&#8217;t, can you really blame companies for wanting a cheaper alternative?</p>
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		<title>By: Claire</title>
		<link>http://www.davidairey.com/aiga-nea-art-works-logo/comment-page-1/#comment-127146</link>
		<dc:creator>Claire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 20:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ironically, AIGA not only DOES NOT PAY DESIGNERS for their involvement in AIGA&#039;s promo work, but you need to be a member to submit entries to any of their &quot;NO SPEC&quot; calls for work...

http://www.aigadc.org/events/2009/12/37202309</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ironically, AIGA not only DOES NOT PAY DESIGNERS for their involvement in AIGA&#8217;s promo work, but you need to be a member to submit entries to any of their &#8220;NO SPEC&#8221; calls for work&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.aigadc.org/events/2009/12/37202309" rel="nofollow">http://www.aigadc.org/events/2009/12/37202309</a></p>
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		<title>By: Cheryl Roshak</title>
		<link>http://www.davidairey.com/aiga-nea-art-works-logo/comment-page-1/#comment-127073</link>
		<dc:creator>Cheryl Roshak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 22:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spec work not only demeans the design industry, the thinking behind that is that it is a privilege to do work for nothing, which doesn&#039;t occur in most other industries, it also brings in a lesser level of talent that will work for nothing for some reason, perhaps for the thrill of it all, to be recognized perhaps at some level. It is not like doing a benefit concert to raise money for Haiti, or doing competitive spec work to win an account that will then generate revenue. 

Better had the NEA solicited a reputable design firm to do pro bono work for them, the worst that could have happened would be that perhaps they might have been turned down once or twice. 

I see it all the time in my business as a design recruiter where candidates are asked to do spec work for free to see if they&#039;re good enough to get the job. That&#039;s ridiculous. It&#039;s one thing to ask them to freelance at a company for a period of time for the going hourly rate, but to do work for free and then use it to make a profit? It&#039;s shameful at best. So I applaud Richard&#039;s stand on behalf of the AIGA. It&#039;s about time this issue be addressed openly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spec work not only demeans the design industry, the thinking behind that is that it is a privilege to do work for nothing, which doesn&#8217;t occur in most other industries, it also brings in a lesser level of talent that will work for nothing for some reason, perhaps for the thrill of it all, to be recognized perhaps at some level. It is not like doing a benefit concert to raise money for Haiti, or doing competitive spec work to win an account that will then generate revenue. </p>
<p>Better had the NEA solicited a reputable design firm to do pro bono work for them, the worst that could have happened would be that perhaps they might have been turned down once or twice. </p>
<p>I see it all the time in my business as a design recruiter where candidates are asked to do spec work for free to see if they&#8217;re good enough to get the job. That&#8217;s ridiculous. It&#8217;s one thing to ask them to freelance at a company for a period of time for the going hourly rate, but to do work for free and then use it to make a profit? It&#8217;s shameful at best. So I applaud Richard&#8217;s stand on behalf of the AIGA. It&#8217;s about time this issue be addressed openly.</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 19:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an entrepreneur, I can&#039;t afford to go to a design firm.  I have spent countless hours looking at portfolios on the Internet and viewing sites submitted via CraigsList ads.  Sometimes this is referred to as sweat equity.

If you have ever done the same, you know that finding unique, creative work that works for a particular, hopefully groundbreaking endeavor is not easy.

It seems to me that architects compete for projects all the time.  But I don&#039;t really care is a designer will work on spec or not.  But why limit yourself and your ability to pursue new challenges (not talking about logo design here)?  I think that at least some designers will find that if they think of themselves as entrepreneurs trying to break new ground, rather than just designers for hire that new markets may open up for them.  Certainly, taking some risk now and then may lead to something innovative.  At least in my case: Rule #1 Break the Rules.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an entrepreneur, I can&#8217;t afford to go to a design firm.  I have spent countless hours looking at portfolios on the Internet and viewing sites submitted via CraigsList ads.  Sometimes this is referred to as sweat equity.</p>
<p>If you have ever done the same, you know that finding unique, creative work that works for a particular, hopefully groundbreaking endeavor is not easy.</p>
<p>It seems to me that architects compete for projects all the time.  But I don&#8217;t really care is a designer will work on spec or not.  But why limit yourself and your ability to pursue new challenges (not talking about logo design here)?  I think that at least some designers will find that if they think of themselves as entrepreneurs trying to break new ground, rather than just designers for hire that new markets may open up for them.  Certainly, taking some risk now and then may lead to something innovative.  At least in my case: Rule #1 Break the Rules.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Liebold</title>
		<link>http://www.davidairey.com/aiga-nea-art-works-logo/comment-page-1/#comment-127056</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Liebold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 15:19:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grey:

Even in the classroom, spec work is still a bad idea. Our instructors are there to provide us a bridge between hobbyists and professionals. How is working for free teaching someone to be professional? Yes classwork is done for no monetary gain but I am gaining something much better.

Besides, that issue aside, it would also be illegal for them to do it in the classroom. Adobe is very strict about non-commercial use of academic software</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grey:</p>
<p>Even in the classroom, spec work is still a bad idea. Our instructors are there to provide us a bridge between hobbyists and professionals. How is working for free teaching someone to be professional? Yes classwork is done for no monetary gain but I am gaining something much better.</p>
<p>Besides, that issue aside, it would also be illegal for them to do it in the classroom. Adobe is very strict about non-commercial use of academic software</p>
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		<title>By: Tracey Grady</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tracey Grady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 08:47:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like Mark, I was given a substantial number of spec projects with real clients when I studied graphic design, all coming from one teacher. In my final year, I also got the opportunity to work on live projects with real clients, where the students got to choose from a range of projects and worked one-on-one with the clients (this approach was arranged by a different teacher).

Guess which approach was more valuable in preparing me for working with real clients, as a fully minted, design graduate?

AIGA&#039;s arguments against spec work are eloquent, calm as mentioned above, and put the NEA competition to shame. There is no small amount of irony in the fact that an organisation established to provide for creative disciplines is in fact taking away from a creative discipline by expecting designers to submit work for nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like Mark, I was given a substantial number of spec projects with real clients when I studied graphic design, all coming from one teacher. In my final year, I also got the opportunity to work on live projects with real clients, where the students got to choose from a range of projects and worked one-on-one with the clients (this approach was arranged by a different teacher).</p>
<p>Guess which approach was more valuable in preparing me for working with real clients, as a fully minted, design graduate?</p>
<p>AIGA&#8217;s arguments against spec work are eloquent, calm as mentioned above, and put the NEA competition to shame. There is no small amount of irony in the fact that an organisation established to provide for creative disciplines is in fact taking away from a creative discipline by expecting designers to submit work for nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Cummins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Cummins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 08:08:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can fully understand everyone&#039;s frustration with spec work, however in this particular case i think it&#039;s a little different (don&#039;t shoot me for this!). being that it&#039;s an &quot;industry&quot; type thing, it can give up and coming young designers a real opportunity to be seen somewhere relevant. Of more concern is the message this can send to others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can fully understand everyone&#8217;s frustration with spec work, however in this particular case i think it&#8217;s a little different (don&#8217;t shoot me for this!). being that it&#8217;s an &#8220;industry&#8221; type thing, it can give up and coming young designers a real opportunity to be seen somewhere relevant. Of more concern is the message this can send to others.</p>
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